Here are my takes and I do not prepare to argue as there is no right or wrong answer - all depending on what you believe.
* I'm pretty believe there is Jesus as the recordings are quite credible and there are many real hints.
* If there were Eve and Adam, who recorded it, how and in what language? I know some scripts in India did not survive the hot climate. The translated script to Chinese helped the Indians to locate an old city and the life at that time. If Eve and Adam were Chinese, they should have eaten the damned snake or dog, we should still be in heaven. :)
* The expedition from Hong Kong found Noel's Ark? Hope it is not a shed that has been there for thousands of years. There have been too many similar incidents and all have been false discovery. If it is the one, then there will be a lot of credit to the old testament.
* No matter what the conclusion is, there is no denial that religions have helped a lot of poor, orphans, the hopeless, the needy...
* Chinese see after life very differently from the west. No Chinese saw the light from the end of the tunnel. There are no angels for Chinese but jumping corpses sticking their tongues out.
If there is after life, they should look the same no matter you're a Westerner or a Chinese.
* Buddhism believes in re-born and Christians believe in eternal life. If one is right, the other must be wrong, or both are wrong.
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Michael Clark writes:
ReplyDeleteTony: The scientific mind, reason, is very adept at reducing things. "What this really is..." Reduction, of course, steals much of the majesty of life, excluding the unrealistic, the Dream, the nonmaterial and non-atomic. But thoughts are composed of very subtle material, matter that science does not recognize yet -- and which reason reduces to physical functions of the brain. Religions, esoteric religions, claim that the universe is composed of mental matter in descending and ascending scales of subtlety. Physical matter is an echo of mental matter, a crystallization of mental matter. But the 'realistic' specializes in material, physical circumstance, the end of the pole, the crystallized thought, ignoring the origins of matter, the Thoughts of God, which reason cannot measure...making this literal mind very powerful in the material world, but rather helpless in other levels of reality. Anywhere from 85% to 95% of the universe is invisible dark matter, which science cannot presently measure or understand. That's a LOT of life that is untouched and unaccounted for by Reason.
Reason reduces religion to the language of science. That means it leaves a lot out.
One has to master the poetic language (the language of metaphor, as science is the language of causality and literal mathematics -- the mathematics of religion is, again, metaphorical mathematics: what numbers represent metaphorically) in order to really enter the world of the spirit. Science is helpless in the world of the spirit -- and, so, twists this view into a methodological morality dismissing as much as possible from the picture in order to exclude what it can't possibly understand without the female brain operating, that is, metaphor...orthodox religion is the male brain trying to exclude the femal brain from the process -- and this almost always leads to some form of fascism, the burning of witches at the stake, literally, or as a political adjunct.
You have to go much deeper into Asian religion than your comments suggest, in order to know it. Most methaphorical thinking differentiates Time (Mundane Time, Historical Time, Man's Time) and Eternity (when History ends, Man's Historical Time goes into recession)....but Eternity in most religions means an extended time when Nature is stronger than Man, or Night-Cycles -- when Man is not making History, but when Nature is making Man. It does not literally last for ever.
Literality: spirit rebels against the literal. Science is about the literal and nothing else.
Reincarnation (the Asian idea) and resurrection (the Western idea) are really much closer than most Westrn reductionists realize or admit.
The Chinese did not believe in Angels but they clearly believed in Gods, which are the forces of Nature. Christianity and monotheistic Judaism tried to use angels to eradicate the pagan gods but also wanting to retain the same powers of Nature, that is, the planets and the stars. So they called them Angels and admitted only one God above these angels.
All religions everywhere came from astronomy, the study of the heavens, and astrology, the study of mans relationship on earth to the heavens.
Day-Cycles (Man's Historical Time) is about Man's exile from the Female Mind of Nature. Night-Cycles (Nature's Non-Historic Time, Eternity) is about the re-union of the Male and Female Minds.
Hollywood 65 says:
ReplyDeleteThe RECORD of Adam and Eve,as recorded in Scripture, was given by GOD ,to men, to recors, as was the act of Creation.
Jesus existence is recorded not just in the Bible, but in the writings of Josephus, a Roman/Jewish Historian. You are right to say He DID exist.
His Character is attested to, re truthfulness, honor, gentleness,love towards others.
He also claimed He to be God[He who has seen me, has seen the Father etc.
The record shows He was killed, was in a tomb , and came back to life on the 3rd day, and was seen by thousands,before ascencion into heaven.
Do you know of any other world figures,religious leaders who have done this? Buddha-Nope Muhammad-Nope
Since Christ,by history is recorded as being truthful etc, you have the choice of believing He is who He says He is, or he is a Liar, or deluded. Which is he? Your choice determines your destiny, Think carefully.
I should say religion is good whether you're Christian or Buddhist. It teaches us to be a good human being.
ReplyDeleteHowever, sometimes we misinterpret their teachings and we've wars in the name of religion and the big cover up of the clergymen violating their altar boys...
It is tough for the religious folk to run a business or be a land lord. Most cash businesses cheat, so it is tough to compete. To a less extent, same exist for investors esp. if you consider trading is a zero-sum game.
11 years ago, we started a friendly discussion on sending soldiers to the Middle East. My Christian friends were furious on my objection, and it was hard for them to accept opinions different from their pastor.
Michelle says:
ReplyDeleteThis is from the book I am working on eintitled "Two and A Half Loves". I first show that Mithra and Michael the Archangel are the same heavenly personality. Then I set out to prove that Mithra = Christ; therefore, Christ = Michael. Here is an excerpt:
What is my point in presenting this lengthly, abstruse and acidic portrayal of Christian fathers’ manipulation of church dogma? One main point to take from this, of course, is the unity of the Michael and Mithra (Mitra) figures. Also, I hope the reader comprehends from this the roots of Christian dogma in the so-called ‘Pagan’ religions and mythological systems. The ‘Gods’, the Elohim, are the planets – the angels are the regents of these Gods, the regents of these planets. One cannot understand theology as a rational science unless one ‘consciously’ (as Jonathan Black suggests) understands the role of the planets and stars in our own lives and in our own history, personal history, cultural history, and global history.
That is what this book is also about.
Ok, so Mithra is Michael. But Mithra is also Jesus Christ? And, if Mithra = Michael the Archangel; and Mithra = Jesus Christ; then Michael the Archangel = Jesus Christ.
Gerald Berry, in Religions of the World, writes:
Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as 'the Way,' 'the Truth,' 'the Light,' 'the Life,' 'the Word,' 'the Son of God,' 'the Good Shepherd.' The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother...was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church.
Swami Prajnanananda, in Christ the Saviour and Christ Myth, writes:
Mithra or Mitra is...worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun's disciples.... [The Sun's] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal Equinox—Christmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb...."
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy, in their book The Jesus Mysteries (Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?, designate 31 similarities between Mithra and Jesus:
The absurdly close parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are summarised below. Mithras was:
1) Born on 25 December.
2) Born of a virgin.
3) Born in a cave and attended by shepherds and wise men who gave him gifts.
4) The Son of God and intermediary between God and humanity.
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